Carr's Landing Water Servicing Strategy
View the September 5, 2024 Letter from the Mayor to Carr's Landing property owners
Watch the 4 minute video to better understand the project
The Carr’s Landing Water Servicing Strategy is a Council initiative that considers extending the public water system into specific areas of Carr’s Landing. The following water systems are included in the servicing strategy:
- Moberly Water Society;
- Coral Beach Water System;
- Barkley Water Works Association;
- Eastside Utilities; and
- Private water systems near the study areas (individual wells or lake intakes).
The project study area includes approximately 360 parcels (refer to the map).
What are the issues?
- Water infrastructure throughout Carr’s Landing does not meet adequate fire protection standards, leaving the community vulnerable to wildfires.
- Water systems do not comply with Interior Health Authority (IHA) water quality standards.
- Much of the water infrastructure is aging and near the end of its useful life.
- Water intakes are highly susceptible to invasive zebra and quagga mussels, which would result in significant challenges in maintaining water intakes.
- Lack of water availability in Carr’s Landing has made it challenging for property subdivision, and in some areas even minor renovations.
Council has made addressing these issues a top priority.
What is the solution?
Part of the 2023 Water Master Plan included an analysis of options for servicing the area. It was determined that extending the public water system would be the most economical option.
- This solution does not require building any additional reservoirs, lake intakes, or pump stations.
- This solution can provide adequate residential fire flows and meet daily water needs for residential needs.
Not all properties in the Carr’s Landing area were found to be economically feasible to service at this time and have been excluded from the study area (refer to the map). Most notably, this includes the higher elevation properties on higher elevations on Commonage Road and properties near the Charolaise Drive area.
What are the project costs and who will pay for these improvements?
Extending the public water system is currently projected to cost between $20 - $25 million, which works out to approximately $55,000 - $70,000 per property when divided equally amongst the parcels (dollar amounts do not include borrowing cost).
Project costs include:
- 12 km of new watermains installed;
- Multiple new pressure regulating and re-chlorination stations;
- Capacity increases and backup power improvements at an existing pumping station; and
- Water meters for unmetered properties.
District staff and Council have been, and continue to seek, senior government support to help fund the project. Any costs to the District are expected to be covered by the benefiting properties through a Local Service Area (LSA) process.
FACT: The Local Service Area petition process must be successful for the project to proceed.
What is a Local Service Area (LSA) and how does it fit into the process?
A Local Service Area (LSA) is a financial tool that allows municipalities to recover costs when new infrastructure is constructed that directly benefits a specific group of properties. For an LSA to be successful, there is a petition process involving each benefiting property owner. All or a portion of the cost is paid for by local property owners. Property owners can choose to pay their portion upfront or over time as part of their property tax. Properties that opt to pay over time will be subject to interest.
To date, District Council has indicated support for using a Council Initiative - Subject to Petition Against process, with the cost being collected as a parcel tax that divides the cost equally among the benefiting properties.
Learn More - Province of B.C. LSA process information
What’s in it for me?
If residents support the project - the project will proceed. This expansion will greatly enhance fire suppression capabilities along with providing safe and reliable water service. The expansion will also include capacity for a small amount of growth in the area. Typically supply from a public water source increases property value.
FACT: The new water infrastructure will be sized to only provide residential water service not agricultural.
Where would the water come from?
If the project proceeds, the primary water source would be the Beaver Lake Water Source. Although the Beaver Lake water supply is prone to high colour and turbidity throughout the summer, the District is currently working on constructing a water treatment plant to address these issues.
What if the project does not receive support to proceed?
If the project does not proceed, each water system will need to find it's own solution to address the issues they individually face. Both Eastside Utilities and Coral Beach Water System require significant improvements. A "Go It Alone" solution is expected to be much less feasible than a larger community solution.
What are the timelines?
- Communicate and engage with Carr's Landing Community - June onward.
- Community Open House at Carr's Landing Firehall - July 9th from 3pm to 7pm.
- Community Meeting at Creekside Theatre - Septmeber 11th beginning at 6:30 pm
- Petition Against Process - Early 2025.
View the September 5, 2024 Letter from the Mayor to Carr's Landing property owners
Watch the 4 minute video to better understand the project
The Carr’s Landing Water Servicing Strategy is a Council initiative that considers extending the public water system into specific areas of Carr’s Landing. The following water systems are included in the servicing strategy:
- Moberly Water Society;
- Coral Beach Water System;
- Barkley Water Works Association;
- Eastside Utilities; and
- Private water systems near the study areas (individual wells or lake intakes).
The project study area includes approximately 360 parcels (refer to the map).
What are the issues?
- Water infrastructure throughout Carr’s Landing does not meet adequate fire protection standards, leaving the community vulnerable to wildfires.
- Water systems do not comply with Interior Health Authority (IHA) water quality standards.
- Much of the water infrastructure is aging and near the end of its useful life.
- Water intakes are highly susceptible to invasive zebra and quagga mussels, which would result in significant challenges in maintaining water intakes.
- Lack of water availability in Carr’s Landing has made it challenging for property subdivision, and in some areas even minor renovations.
Council has made addressing these issues a top priority.
What is the solution?
Part of the 2023 Water Master Plan included an analysis of options for servicing the area. It was determined that extending the public water system would be the most economical option.
- This solution does not require building any additional reservoirs, lake intakes, or pump stations.
- This solution can provide adequate residential fire flows and meet daily water needs for residential needs.
Not all properties in the Carr’s Landing area were found to be economically feasible to service at this time and have been excluded from the study area (refer to the map). Most notably, this includes the higher elevation properties on higher elevations on Commonage Road and properties near the Charolaise Drive area.
What are the project costs and who will pay for these improvements?
Extending the public water system is currently projected to cost between $20 - $25 million, which works out to approximately $55,000 - $70,000 per property when divided equally amongst the parcels (dollar amounts do not include borrowing cost).
Project costs include:
- 12 km of new watermains installed;
- Multiple new pressure regulating and re-chlorination stations;
- Capacity increases and backup power improvements at an existing pumping station; and
- Water meters for unmetered properties.
District staff and Council have been, and continue to seek, senior government support to help fund the project. Any costs to the District are expected to be covered by the benefiting properties through a Local Service Area (LSA) process.
FACT: The Local Service Area petition process must be successful for the project to proceed.
What is a Local Service Area (LSA) and how does it fit into the process?
A Local Service Area (LSA) is a financial tool that allows municipalities to recover costs when new infrastructure is constructed that directly benefits a specific group of properties. For an LSA to be successful, there is a petition process involving each benefiting property owner. All or a portion of the cost is paid for by local property owners. Property owners can choose to pay their portion upfront or over time as part of their property tax. Properties that opt to pay over time will be subject to interest.
To date, District Council has indicated support for using a Council Initiative - Subject to Petition Against process, with the cost being collected as a parcel tax that divides the cost equally among the benefiting properties.
Learn More - Province of B.C. LSA process information
What’s in it for me?
If residents support the project - the project will proceed. This expansion will greatly enhance fire suppression capabilities along with providing safe and reliable water service. The expansion will also include capacity for a small amount of growth in the area. Typically supply from a public water source increases property value.
FACT: The new water infrastructure will be sized to only provide residential water service not agricultural.
Where would the water come from?
If the project proceeds, the primary water source would be the Beaver Lake Water Source. Although the Beaver Lake water supply is prone to high colour and turbidity throughout the summer, the District is currently working on constructing a water treatment plant to address these issues.
What if the project does not receive support to proceed?
If the project does not proceed, each water system will need to find it's own solution to address the issues they individually face. Both Eastside Utilities and Coral Beach Water System require significant improvements. A "Go It Alone" solution is expected to be much less feasible than a larger community solution.
What are the timelines?
- Communicate and engage with Carr's Landing Community - June onward.
- Community Open House at Carr's Landing Firehall - July 9th from 3pm to 7pm.
- Community Meeting at Creekside Theatre - Septmeber 11th beginning at 6:30 pm
- Petition Against Process - Early 2025.
Ask a question and or leave a comment. Council and staff want to hear from property owners included in the study area. Tell us what you are thinking and staff will respond as soon as possible.
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Share We are on Lake Pine water, which is perfectly good, reliable, never had a boil water advisory. Now you want to take us off of that, put us on the crappy Beaver Lake water, and charge us $50,000 for the priviledge. That is simply ridiculous. on Facebook Share We are on Lake Pine water, which is perfectly good, reliable, never had a boil water advisory. Now you want to take us off of that, put us on the crappy Beaver Lake water, and charge us $50,000 for the priviledge. That is simply ridiculous. on Twitter Share We are on Lake Pine water, which is perfectly good, reliable, never had a boil water advisory. Now you want to take us off of that, put us on the crappy Beaver Lake water, and charge us $50,000 for the priviledge. That is simply ridiculous. on Linkedin Email We are on Lake Pine water, which is perfectly good, reliable, never had a boil water advisory. Now you want to take us off of that, put us on the crappy Beaver Lake water, and charge us $50,000 for the priviledge. That is simply ridiculous. link
We are on Lake Pine water, which is perfectly good, reliable, never had a boil water advisory. Now you want to take us off of that, put us on the crappy Beaver Lake water, and charge us $50,000 for the priviledge. That is simply ridiculous.
KJK asked 2 months agoPlease note that the Carr's Landing Water Project is on hold until further notice.
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Share Re-submitting questions from the Lake Country Farmers' Institute, August 28, 2024: 1.Will the proposed system reduce the volume of irrigation water available to agriculture in during the growing season? 2. Will the water treatment plant that the District is currently working on constructing treat the irrigation water for used for agriculture during the growing season? 3. Will the cost of the treatment plant for the Beaver Lake Water Source be shared by all District of Lake Country taxpayers? on Facebook Share Re-submitting questions from the Lake Country Farmers' Institute, August 28, 2024: 1.Will the proposed system reduce the volume of irrigation water available to agriculture in during the growing season? 2. Will the water treatment plant that the District is currently working on constructing treat the irrigation water for used for agriculture during the growing season? 3. Will the cost of the treatment plant for the Beaver Lake Water Source be shared by all District of Lake Country taxpayers? on Twitter Share Re-submitting questions from the Lake Country Farmers' Institute, August 28, 2024: 1.Will the proposed system reduce the volume of irrigation water available to agriculture in during the growing season? 2. Will the water treatment plant that the District is currently working on constructing treat the irrigation water for used for agriculture during the growing season? 3. Will the cost of the treatment plant for the Beaver Lake Water Source be shared by all District of Lake Country taxpayers? on Linkedin Email Re-submitting questions from the Lake Country Farmers' Institute, August 28, 2024: 1.Will the proposed system reduce the volume of irrigation water available to agriculture in during the growing season? 2. Will the water treatment plant that the District is currently working on constructing treat the irrigation water for used for agriculture during the growing season? 3. Will the cost of the treatment plant for the Beaver Lake Water Source be shared by all District of Lake Country taxpayers? link
Re-submitting questions from the Lake Country Farmers' Institute, August 28, 2024: 1.Will the proposed system reduce the volume of irrigation water available to agriculture in during the growing season? 2. Will the water treatment plant that the District is currently working on constructing treat the irrigation water for used for agriculture during the growing season? 3. Will the cost of the treatment plant for the Beaver Lake Water Source be shared by all District of Lake Country taxpayers?
LCFI asked about 2 months agoThank you for the questions. Please note that the Carr's Landing Water Project is now on hold.
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Share Your response to my previous question about issues with the Coral Beach water system lists fire suppression as a rationale. However, it is clear from other sources that fire suppression will be provided by sourcing water from Lake Okanagan as other water systems in Lake Country will be doing in the event of a fire. Has the District any data showing that fire suppression in the Coral Beach neighbourhood can not be achieved by accessing water from the immediately adjacent lake Okanagon on Facebook Share Your response to my previous question about issues with the Coral Beach water system lists fire suppression as a rationale. However, it is clear from other sources that fire suppression will be provided by sourcing water from Lake Okanagan as other water systems in Lake Country will be doing in the event of a fire. Has the District any data showing that fire suppression in the Coral Beach neighbourhood can not be achieved by accessing water from the immediately adjacent lake Okanagon on Twitter Share Your response to my previous question about issues with the Coral Beach water system lists fire suppression as a rationale. However, it is clear from other sources that fire suppression will be provided by sourcing water from Lake Okanagan as other water systems in Lake Country will be doing in the event of a fire. Has the District any data showing that fire suppression in the Coral Beach neighbourhood can not be achieved by accessing water from the immediately adjacent lake Okanagon on Linkedin Email Your response to my previous question about issues with the Coral Beach water system lists fire suppression as a rationale. However, it is clear from other sources that fire suppression will be provided by sourcing water from Lake Okanagan as other water systems in Lake Country will be doing in the event of a fire. Has the District any data showing that fire suppression in the Coral Beach neighbourhood can not be achieved by accessing water from the immediately adjacent lake Okanagon link
Your response to my previous question about issues with the Coral Beach water system lists fire suppression as a rationale. However, it is clear from other sources that fire suppression will be provided by sourcing water from Lake Okanagan as other water systems in Lake Country will be doing in the event of a fire. Has the District any data showing that fire suppression in the Coral Beach neighbourhood can not be achieved by accessing water from the immediately adjacent lake Okanagon
Jim T asked 3 months agoThank you for the questions.
Chief Lee will be speaking at the upcoming community meeting on September 11th - further on this topic. Reliance on Okanagan Lake for water is unreliable due to the sizes of pumps needed along with the steep topography of many homes in the area. Water trucks need to be continually filled up and will only last 3-5 minutes before needing to travel to fill up again. If water trucks are being used and going to nearby fire hydrants to fill up - the chances of the water system being depleted is also a risk.
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Share With regards to your reply to my previous question regarding coral beach park. I appreciated your response, I think there was a little confusion with my question... I understand that lake intake and eastside water utility both comes from Okanagan Lake, my question is what utility (eastside or private lake intake) specifically services Coral Beach Park with water? on Facebook Share With regards to your reply to my previous question regarding coral beach park. I appreciated your response, I think there was a little confusion with my question... I understand that lake intake and eastside water utility both comes from Okanagan Lake, my question is what utility (eastside or private lake intake) specifically services Coral Beach Park with water? on Twitter Share With regards to your reply to my previous question regarding coral beach park. I appreciated your response, I think there was a little confusion with my question... I understand that lake intake and eastside water utility both comes from Okanagan Lake, my question is what utility (eastside or private lake intake) specifically services Coral Beach Park with water? on Linkedin Email With regards to your reply to my previous question regarding coral beach park. I appreciated your response, I think there was a little confusion with my question... I understand that lake intake and eastside water utility both comes from Okanagan Lake, my question is what utility (eastside or private lake intake) specifically services Coral Beach Park with water? link
With regards to your reply to my previous question regarding coral beach park. I appreciated your response, I think there was a little confusion with my question... I understand that lake intake and eastside water utility both comes from Okanagan Lake, my question is what utility (eastside or private lake intake) specifically services Coral Beach Park with water?
Lindsey Pellett asked 3 months agoThank you for the question.
The District of Lake Country services Coral Beach Park with water as part of the Coral Beach water system.
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Share Follow up to a previous questions that was not answered. Also have a few more follow up questions... sorry for the confusion, wish there was a reply under posted answers... 1. Does the regional district get a vote for Kopje? If they get a vote and they proposed water plan goes ahead, will the regional district pay for the water upgrade? And were does that funding come from? If the Regional District does not get a vote, I would think it would only be fair to exempt the property value from the overall total. Please advise. 2. Where does the water come from to service Coral Beach Park? Eastside? Lake Intake? Was this an oversight, should Coral Beach Park be included in the LSA proposed area?, if so, who gets the vote for Coral Beach Park?, and who pays the upgrade bill? And where do those funds come from? on Facebook Share Follow up to a previous questions that was not answered. Also have a few more follow up questions... sorry for the confusion, wish there was a reply under posted answers... 1. Does the regional district get a vote for Kopje? If they get a vote and they proposed water plan goes ahead, will the regional district pay for the water upgrade? And were does that funding come from? If the Regional District does not get a vote, I would think it would only be fair to exempt the property value from the overall total. Please advise. 2. Where does the water come from to service Coral Beach Park? Eastside? Lake Intake? Was this an oversight, should Coral Beach Park be included in the LSA proposed area?, if so, who gets the vote for Coral Beach Park?, and who pays the upgrade bill? And where do those funds come from? on Twitter Share Follow up to a previous questions that was not answered. Also have a few more follow up questions... sorry for the confusion, wish there was a reply under posted answers... 1. Does the regional district get a vote for Kopje? If they get a vote and they proposed water plan goes ahead, will the regional district pay for the water upgrade? And were does that funding come from? If the Regional District does not get a vote, I would think it would only be fair to exempt the property value from the overall total. Please advise. 2. Where does the water come from to service Coral Beach Park? Eastside? Lake Intake? Was this an oversight, should Coral Beach Park be included in the LSA proposed area?, if so, who gets the vote for Coral Beach Park?, and who pays the upgrade bill? And where do those funds come from? on Linkedin Email Follow up to a previous questions that was not answered. Also have a few more follow up questions... sorry for the confusion, wish there was a reply under posted answers... 1. Does the regional district get a vote for Kopje? If they get a vote and they proposed water plan goes ahead, will the regional district pay for the water upgrade? And were does that funding come from? If the Regional District does not get a vote, I would think it would only be fair to exempt the property value from the overall total. Please advise. 2. Where does the water come from to service Coral Beach Park? Eastside? Lake Intake? Was this an oversight, should Coral Beach Park be included in the LSA proposed area?, if so, who gets the vote for Coral Beach Park?, and who pays the upgrade bill? And where do those funds come from? link
Follow up to a previous questions that was not answered. Also have a few more follow up questions... sorry for the confusion, wish there was a reply under posted answers... 1. Does the regional district get a vote for Kopje? If they get a vote and they proposed water plan goes ahead, will the regional district pay for the water upgrade? And were does that funding come from? If the Regional District does not get a vote, I would think it would only be fair to exempt the property value from the overall total. Please advise. 2. Where does the water come from to service Coral Beach Park? Eastside? Lake Intake? Was this an oversight, should Coral Beach Park be included in the LSA proposed area?, if so, who gets the vote for Coral Beach Park?, and who pays the upgrade bill? And where do those funds come from?
Lindsey Pellett asked 3 months agoYes the Regional District can vote in the Petition Against if they choose to do so. The board would have to make a resolution on the matter. If the project proceeds the Regional District would be responsible for cost as the property owners. The District of Lake Country would also be responsible to pay for properties owned by the District. The value of the parks and public assets will be used for the calculation of property values. Water for Coral Beach, Eastside and the Lake Intake comes from Okanagan Lake.
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Share We are encouraged by the number of relevant questions being asked about this proposed project. As people that are new to the area, we are dismayed by the lack of detailed information regarding this project. A project of this magnitude, where costs will be solely the burden of the taxpayers, merits: • taxpayer input into the LSA process. • robust project study and stakeholders input, • transparent public information and more public engagement/consultation than is currently proposed The following are questions we have regarding this project. 1. Council has chosen to initiate an LSA for this project by using the “Council initiative - subject to petition against” option. From council video it is clear this option was chosen because there was a belief that it would provide the greatest chance of success of the LSA going forward. Question: At this time, area taxpayers within the study area will be fully funding this project. As Public Engagement is a crucial part of this initiative, should the area taxpayers not have meaningful input into how the LSA is initiated? 2. As quoted in the May 21, 2024 Report to Council, “the decision (regarding the petition and funding processes) is not final until an LSA bylaw is adopted by Council”. Question: Can we assume that there will be several opportunities for Public Engagement over the next several months so Council can receive meaningful feedback on the LSA process? 3. A very quick search of LSA’s undertaken on projects throughout the province it appears that projects are of a much smaller scale (more the size of a typical neighbourhood) where property sizes and values are similar. Question: Can you provide an example of an LSA with a budget of $20+ M that has been undertaken within the province? Can you provide some project details? Question: Given the diverse properties within this project area is Council not concerned with the imbalance of assessed properties and unfairly giving more weight to properties of higher value? 4. Council video for May 5, 2024 completely skips the rationale for why the “Council initiative - subject to assent voting” or Referendum was dismissed as an option for initiating an LSA. Question: Could you please provide Council’s rationale for dismissing assent voting or referendum option? 5. “LSA ‘s can be paid for in whole OR in part by local property owners”. As we would like to achieve clarity on why this project was chosen for an LSA and not funded through other means can you provide the following: Question: Can you provide Council’s rationale for funding this project solely on the back of taxpayers in the area and not seeking other sources of funding or waiting until alternative funding becomes available? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grant applications and their status that have been submitted for funding of this project? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grants that will/may be coming available in the near future from government that may provide funding of this project? Question: What other options for funding this project were considered? 6. During previous council discussions and at the last public meeting there was talk of phasing this project to make costs more palatable to taxpayers and perhaps improve the success of moving forward with an LSA. Question: What has happened to the idea of phasing this project? Question: Would phasing of the project not provide staff the time to apply for additional grants for each phase? on Facebook Share We are encouraged by the number of relevant questions being asked about this proposed project. As people that are new to the area, we are dismayed by the lack of detailed information regarding this project. A project of this magnitude, where costs will be solely the burden of the taxpayers, merits: • taxpayer input into the LSA process. • robust project study and stakeholders input, • transparent public information and more public engagement/consultation than is currently proposed The following are questions we have regarding this project. 1. Council has chosen to initiate an LSA for this project by using the “Council initiative - subject to petition against” option. From council video it is clear this option was chosen because there was a belief that it would provide the greatest chance of success of the LSA going forward. Question: At this time, area taxpayers within the study area will be fully funding this project. As Public Engagement is a crucial part of this initiative, should the area taxpayers not have meaningful input into how the LSA is initiated? 2. As quoted in the May 21, 2024 Report to Council, “the decision (regarding the petition and funding processes) is not final until an LSA bylaw is adopted by Council”. Question: Can we assume that there will be several opportunities for Public Engagement over the next several months so Council can receive meaningful feedback on the LSA process? 3. A very quick search of LSA’s undertaken on projects throughout the province it appears that projects are of a much smaller scale (more the size of a typical neighbourhood) where property sizes and values are similar. Question: Can you provide an example of an LSA with a budget of $20+ M that has been undertaken within the province? Can you provide some project details? Question: Given the diverse properties within this project area is Council not concerned with the imbalance of assessed properties and unfairly giving more weight to properties of higher value? 4. Council video for May 5, 2024 completely skips the rationale for why the “Council initiative - subject to assent voting” or Referendum was dismissed as an option for initiating an LSA. Question: Could you please provide Council’s rationale for dismissing assent voting or referendum option? 5. “LSA ‘s can be paid for in whole OR in part by local property owners”. As we would like to achieve clarity on why this project was chosen for an LSA and not funded through other means can you provide the following: Question: Can you provide Council’s rationale for funding this project solely on the back of taxpayers in the area and not seeking other sources of funding or waiting until alternative funding becomes available? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grant applications and their status that have been submitted for funding of this project? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grants that will/may be coming available in the near future from government that may provide funding of this project? Question: What other options for funding this project were considered? 6. During previous council discussions and at the last public meeting there was talk of phasing this project to make costs more palatable to taxpayers and perhaps improve the success of moving forward with an LSA. Question: What has happened to the idea of phasing this project? Question: Would phasing of the project not provide staff the time to apply for additional grants for each phase? on Twitter Share We are encouraged by the number of relevant questions being asked about this proposed project. As people that are new to the area, we are dismayed by the lack of detailed information regarding this project. A project of this magnitude, where costs will be solely the burden of the taxpayers, merits: • taxpayer input into the LSA process. • robust project study and stakeholders input, • transparent public information and more public engagement/consultation than is currently proposed The following are questions we have regarding this project. 1. Council has chosen to initiate an LSA for this project by using the “Council initiative - subject to petition against” option. From council video it is clear this option was chosen because there was a belief that it would provide the greatest chance of success of the LSA going forward. Question: At this time, area taxpayers within the study area will be fully funding this project. As Public Engagement is a crucial part of this initiative, should the area taxpayers not have meaningful input into how the LSA is initiated? 2. As quoted in the May 21, 2024 Report to Council, “the decision (regarding the petition and funding processes) is not final until an LSA bylaw is adopted by Council”. Question: Can we assume that there will be several opportunities for Public Engagement over the next several months so Council can receive meaningful feedback on the LSA process? 3. A very quick search of LSA’s undertaken on projects throughout the province it appears that projects are of a much smaller scale (more the size of a typical neighbourhood) where property sizes and values are similar. Question: Can you provide an example of an LSA with a budget of $20+ M that has been undertaken within the province? Can you provide some project details? Question: Given the diverse properties within this project area is Council not concerned with the imbalance of assessed properties and unfairly giving more weight to properties of higher value? 4. Council video for May 5, 2024 completely skips the rationale for why the “Council initiative - subject to assent voting” or Referendum was dismissed as an option for initiating an LSA. Question: Could you please provide Council’s rationale for dismissing assent voting or referendum option? 5. “LSA ‘s can be paid for in whole OR in part by local property owners”. As we would like to achieve clarity on why this project was chosen for an LSA and not funded through other means can you provide the following: Question: Can you provide Council’s rationale for funding this project solely on the back of taxpayers in the area and not seeking other sources of funding or waiting until alternative funding becomes available? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grant applications and their status that have been submitted for funding of this project? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grants that will/may be coming available in the near future from government that may provide funding of this project? Question: What other options for funding this project were considered? 6. During previous council discussions and at the last public meeting there was talk of phasing this project to make costs more palatable to taxpayers and perhaps improve the success of moving forward with an LSA. Question: What has happened to the idea of phasing this project? Question: Would phasing of the project not provide staff the time to apply for additional grants for each phase? on Linkedin Email We are encouraged by the number of relevant questions being asked about this proposed project. As people that are new to the area, we are dismayed by the lack of detailed information regarding this project. A project of this magnitude, where costs will be solely the burden of the taxpayers, merits: • taxpayer input into the LSA process. • robust project study and stakeholders input, • transparent public information and more public engagement/consultation than is currently proposed The following are questions we have regarding this project. 1. Council has chosen to initiate an LSA for this project by using the “Council initiative - subject to petition against” option. From council video it is clear this option was chosen because there was a belief that it would provide the greatest chance of success of the LSA going forward. Question: At this time, area taxpayers within the study area will be fully funding this project. As Public Engagement is a crucial part of this initiative, should the area taxpayers not have meaningful input into how the LSA is initiated? 2. As quoted in the May 21, 2024 Report to Council, “the decision (regarding the petition and funding processes) is not final until an LSA bylaw is adopted by Council”. Question: Can we assume that there will be several opportunities for Public Engagement over the next several months so Council can receive meaningful feedback on the LSA process? 3. A very quick search of LSA’s undertaken on projects throughout the province it appears that projects are of a much smaller scale (more the size of a typical neighbourhood) where property sizes and values are similar. Question: Can you provide an example of an LSA with a budget of $20+ M that has been undertaken within the province? Can you provide some project details? Question: Given the diverse properties within this project area is Council not concerned with the imbalance of assessed properties and unfairly giving more weight to properties of higher value? 4. Council video for May 5, 2024 completely skips the rationale for why the “Council initiative - subject to assent voting” or Referendum was dismissed as an option for initiating an LSA. Question: Could you please provide Council’s rationale for dismissing assent voting or referendum option? 5. “LSA ‘s can be paid for in whole OR in part by local property owners”. As we would like to achieve clarity on why this project was chosen for an LSA and not funded through other means can you provide the following: Question: Can you provide Council’s rationale for funding this project solely on the back of taxpayers in the area and not seeking other sources of funding or waiting until alternative funding becomes available? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grant applications and their status that have been submitted for funding of this project? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grants that will/may be coming available in the near future from government that may provide funding of this project? Question: What other options for funding this project were considered? 6. During previous council discussions and at the last public meeting there was talk of phasing this project to make costs more palatable to taxpayers and perhaps improve the success of moving forward with an LSA. Question: What has happened to the idea of phasing this project? Question: Would phasing of the project not provide staff the time to apply for additional grants for each phase? link
We are encouraged by the number of relevant questions being asked about this proposed project. As people that are new to the area, we are dismayed by the lack of detailed information regarding this project. A project of this magnitude, where costs will be solely the burden of the taxpayers, merits: • taxpayer input into the LSA process. • robust project study and stakeholders input, • transparent public information and more public engagement/consultation than is currently proposed The following are questions we have regarding this project. 1. Council has chosen to initiate an LSA for this project by using the “Council initiative - subject to petition against” option. From council video it is clear this option was chosen because there was a belief that it would provide the greatest chance of success of the LSA going forward. Question: At this time, area taxpayers within the study area will be fully funding this project. As Public Engagement is a crucial part of this initiative, should the area taxpayers not have meaningful input into how the LSA is initiated? 2. As quoted in the May 21, 2024 Report to Council, “the decision (regarding the petition and funding processes) is not final until an LSA bylaw is adopted by Council”. Question: Can we assume that there will be several opportunities for Public Engagement over the next several months so Council can receive meaningful feedback on the LSA process? 3. A very quick search of LSA’s undertaken on projects throughout the province it appears that projects are of a much smaller scale (more the size of a typical neighbourhood) where property sizes and values are similar. Question: Can you provide an example of an LSA with a budget of $20+ M that has been undertaken within the province? Can you provide some project details? Question: Given the diverse properties within this project area is Council not concerned with the imbalance of assessed properties and unfairly giving more weight to properties of higher value? 4. Council video for May 5, 2024 completely skips the rationale for why the “Council initiative - subject to assent voting” or Referendum was dismissed as an option for initiating an LSA. Question: Could you please provide Council’s rationale for dismissing assent voting or referendum option? 5. “LSA ‘s can be paid for in whole OR in part by local property owners”. As we would like to achieve clarity on why this project was chosen for an LSA and not funded through other means can you provide the following: Question: Can you provide Council’s rationale for funding this project solely on the back of taxpayers in the area and not seeking other sources of funding or waiting until alternative funding becomes available? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grant applications and their status that have been submitted for funding of this project? Question: Can you provide a listing of the grants that will/may be coming available in the near future from government that may provide funding of this project? Question: What other options for funding this project were considered? 6. During previous council discussions and at the last public meeting there was talk of phasing this project to make costs more palatable to taxpayers and perhaps improve the success of moving forward with an LSA. Question: What has happened to the idea of phasing this project? Question: Would phasing of the project not provide staff the time to apply for additional grants for each phase?
Lots of Questions asked 3 months agoPublic engagement is very important, and the process is well underway. The next engagement is scheduled for September 11th at 6:30 pm. Feedback received from property owners is being complied for Council review. If you would like to personally speak to your Councillor to ensure Council knows your thoughts, please contact them directly.
Larger LSA projects in Lake Country include providing sewer and water to neighbourhoods throughout Lake Country. Examples of larger LSA projects can be addressed at the September 11th community meeting.
Council will need to speak directly to why they proceeded with the Petition Against option.
In Lake Country upgrades completed that only benefit a certain area or neighbourhood are funded through an LSA. This often includes water and sewer.
Council and staff are always looking for and applying for grants that are made available. To date there are no grants available to apply for at this time however we do anticipate there will be grants made available shortly. Please contact your local MP and MLA to advocate for funding to assist with the Carr’s Landing Water project.
Phasing of the water project is certainly an option Council may consider once community feedback has been received.
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Share Has the District explored the alternative of expanding the Coral Beach Water System to service Eastside and other homes as required ? on Facebook Share Has the District explored the alternative of expanding the Coral Beach Water System to service Eastside and other homes as required ? on Twitter Share Has the District explored the alternative of expanding the Coral Beach Water System to service Eastside and other homes as required ? on Linkedin Email Has the District explored the alternative of expanding the Coral Beach Water System to service Eastside and other homes as required ? link
Has the District explored the alternative of expanding the Coral Beach Water System to service Eastside and other homes as required ?
Jim T asked 3 months agoThank you for the question.
Both the Coral Beach and Eastside water systems are undersized to provide adequate fire flow. Expanding the Coral Beach water system to service Eastside would nearly require the construction of a completely new water system, which would be significantly more expensive than building on existing infrastructure.
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Share I am writing to clarify the District’s responses to my recent questions. From the responses provided I have concluded: 1. The District has no specific information that suggests the Coral Beach water system requires significant upgrades 2. The District has no precise costing with respect to any necessary upgrades 3. The District will not fund an engineering study designed to establish what work is required to bring the Coral Beach water system up to standard: information necessary to allow Coral Beach water users to make an informed decision when voting on the District’s proposed water system. How are users supposed to decide without the more definitive cost information for the upgrades to the Coral Beach Water system? on Facebook Share I am writing to clarify the District’s responses to my recent questions. From the responses provided I have concluded: 1. The District has no specific information that suggests the Coral Beach water system requires significant upgrades 2. The District has no precise costing with respect to any necessary upgrades 3. The District will not fund an engineering study designed to establish what work is required to bring the Coral Beach water system up to standard: information necessary to allow Coral Beach water users to make an informed decision when voting on the District’s proposed water system. How are users supposed to decide without the more definitive cost information for the upgrades to the Coral Beach Water system? on Twitter Share I am writing to clarify the District’s responses to my recent questions. From the responses provided I have concluded: 1. The District has no specific information that suggests the Coral Beach water system requires significant upgrades 2. The District has no precise costing with respect to any necessary upgrades 3. The District will not fund an engineering study designed to establish what work is required to bring the Coral Beach water system up to standard: information necessary to allow Coral Beach water users to make an informed decision when voting on the District’s proposed water system. How are users supposed to decide without the more definitive cost information for the upgrades to the Coral Beach Water system? on Linkedin Email I am writing to clarify the District’s responses to my recent questions. From the responses provided I have concluded: 1. The District has no specific information that suggests the Coral Beach water system requires significant upgrades 2. The District has no precise costing with respect to any necessary upgrades 3. The District will not fund an engineering study designed to establish what work is required to bring the Coral Beach water system up to standard: information necessary to allow Coral Beach water users to make an informed decision when voting on the District’s proposed water system. How are users supposed to decide without the more definitive cost information for the upgrades to the Coral Beach Water system? link
I am writing to clarify the District’s responses to my recent questions. From the responses provided I have concluded: 1. The District has no specific information that suggests the Coral Beach water system requires significant upgrades 2. The District has no precise costing with respect to any necessary upgrades 3. The District will not fund an engineering study designed to establish what work is required to bring the Coral Beach water system up to standard: information necessary to allow Coral Beach water users to make an informed decision when voting on the District’s proposed water system. How are users supposed to decide without the more definitive cost information for the upgrades to the Coral Beach Water system?
Jim T asked 3 months agoThanks for the questions.
The District routinely performs fire flow testing throughout the water distribution systems and all three fire hydrants on the Coral Beach system have the lowest possible fire flow ratings. The Coral Beach reservoir is not large enough to provide backup fire flow storage, as stipulated by the Fire Underwriter Survey. Additionally, the Coral Beach pumphouse is currently undersized to meet these required fire flows. The Coral Beach pumphouse and piping have been identified as aging infrastructure through routine operation, maintenance, and repairs performed in the area.
Preliminary estimates for the replacement of the Coral Beach pumphouse, reservoir, and upsizing of watermains is $5 – 7 million ($80,000-100,000 per property). This does not include provisions to meet Interior Health Authority water quality guidelines or operating and maintenance expenditures if invasive mussels entered Okanagan Lake. As the costs to replace significant portions of the Coral Beach water system are already greater than the cost of the Carr’s Landing LSA, additional staff time and money was not used to provide a more detailed cost estimate.
If the Carr’s Landing LSA does not proceed, an engineering report detailing the required upgrades for the Coral Beach water system would be conducted, further detailing the requirements and project costs.
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Share Looks like Camp Arbuckle the Girl Guide Camp and Kopje Regional Park are in the proposed area, Can you please confirm? if so, who gets there vote? for Kopje - CORD? and for Camp Arbuckle - don't know if its crown land lease? or privately owned? please advise. Thank you. on Facebook Share Looks like Camp Arbuckle the Girl Guide Camp and Kopje Regional Park are in the proposed area, Can you please confirm? if so, who gets there vote? for Kopje - CORD? and for Camp Arbuckle - don't know if its crown land lease? or privately owned? please advise. Thank you. on Twitter Share Looks like Camp Arbuckle the Girl Guide Camp and Kopje Regional Park are in the proposed area, Can you please confirm? if so, who gets there vote? for Kopje - CORD? and for Camp Arbuckle - don't know if its crown land lease? or privately owned? please advise. Thank you. on Linkedin Email Looks like Camp Arbuckle the Girl Guide Camp and Kopje Regional Park are in the proposed area, Can you please confirm? if so, who gets there vote? for Kopje - CORD? and for Camp Arbuckle - don't know if its crown land lease? or privately owned? please advise. Thank you. link
Looks like Camp Arbuckle the Girl Guide Camp and Kopje Regional Park are in the proposed area, Can you please confirm? if so, who gets there vote? for Kopje - CORD? and for Camp Arbuckle - don't know if its crown land lease? or privately owned? please advise. Thank you.
Lindsey Pellett asked 3 months agoThanks for the question.
Both properties mentioned are within the proposed LSA. For Kopje park the Central Okanagan Regional District is the property owner. Camp Arbuckle is also a private landowner.
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Share Why is this cost not divided on all the Lake Country property taxes, and only Carrs Landing residents? We pay property taxes for all of the district- this includes road work on streets we do not live on. on Facebook Share Why is this cost not divided on all the Lake Country property taxes, and only Carrs Landing residents? We pay property taxes for all of the district- this includes road work on streets we do not live on. on Twitter Share Why is this cost not divided on all the Lake Country property taxes, and only Carrs Landing residents? We pay property taxes for all of the district- this includes road work on streets we do not live on. on Linkedin Email Why is this cost not divided on all the Lake Country property taxes, and only Carrs Landing residents? We pay property taxes for all of the district- this includes road work on streets we do not live on. link
Why is this cost not divided on all the Lake Country property taxes, and only Carrs Landing residents? We pay property taxes for all of the district- this includes road work on streets we do not live on.
Holly S asked 3 months agoThank you for the question.
Council has opted to use LSA's in various areas throughout Lake Country. The LSA is used for neighbourhoods or specific areas within the community benefiting from upgrades such as sewer and/or water.
Who's Listening
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Public Engagement Specialist
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Utilities Manager
Video - Understand the Project & Issues
**NEW** Understand the Proposed Water Servicing Solution
FAQs
- Which water systems are included in the project scope?
- Are there areas in Carr's Landing not included within the project scope?
- What would the cost be to only upgrade Coral Beach water system?
- What is the cost to upgrade Eastside Utilities if residents choose not to proceed with the project?
- What will be the cost per property if the project progresses?
- What will the project cost if I currently don’t have water at my property?
- Does the cost include any grants?
- What can the community do to help get a grant?
- Will the community vote to decide on the outcome?
- If the project proceeds can I pay my contribution through property taxes?
- When will the Petition Against Process take place?
- Does the project include irrigation for farming?
- Are the properties owned by the O'Rourke's part of the LSA?
- What happens if the project does not go ahead?
- What is the assessed value of the 368 parcels?
- Can a parcel that is on a well, cistern or lake intake refuse to hook up?
- Can the cost to each parcel, if added as a 20 year charge to property taxes, be deferred by those who are eligible to defer?
- Are all the expenses related to the DLC water and water infrastructure paid entirely from the fees charged to those who are on the municipal system?
- Have Carr's Landing residents been paying for the DLC water system through property tax?
- How is project information being sent to property owners?
- How does the petition against work?
Project Overview Brochure
Study Area - Property Map
2023 Water Master Plan
**NEW DOCUMENTS** Eastside Utility Meetings & Reports
- Provincial Funding Response for Eastside Utility - July, 2024 (64 KB) (pdf)
- Provincial Funding Request for Eastside - May, 2024 (675 KB) (pdf)
- 2021-05-12 WSP Eastside Water Engineering Study Signed.pdf (104 MB) (pdf)
- Eastside Utility Presentation May, 2022 (1.2 MB) (pdf)
- Water Master Plan Eastside Utility Customers - May, 2022
Project Timeline
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June → December 2024
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July 09 2024
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September 11 2024
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January → February 2025
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March → December 2025
Mussel Threat to the Okanagan
September 11th Community Meeting Video & Presentation -CANCELLED
July 9th Open House - Boards
Council Meeting - May 21st Discussion
- Council Meeting - 12.5 Consideration of Local Service Area Petition Process and Funding Options.
- Council Meeting - 12.4 Consideration of Coral Beach Water System cost recovery as it relates to the Carr’s Landing Water Servicing Strategy.
- Meeting with Carr's Landing Residents - Water Strategy - June, 2022
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